Building Safer School Environments
Thank you so much for listening to episode 2 of Season 2: Building Safer School Environments! You can find an episode summary, takeaways, below!
Summary:
In this episode, Hunter Pettis discusses the critical topic of school safety with expert Paul Timm. They explore the evolution of school security, emphasizing the importance of relationships, collaborative planning, and student involvement. The conversation also addresses how to prepare for active shooter scenarios and various emergencies, highlighting the role of parents and the need for a supportive safety culture in schools.
Key Takeaways:
- School security is not just about reacting, but preventing incidents.
- Relationships within the school community are essential for safety.
- A collaborative approach to security planning is vital.
- Students can provide valuable insights into safety measures.
- Communication systems are crucial for protecting people.
- Access control helps manage who enters school premises.
- Parents should be involved in safety planning efforts.
- Emergency preparedness should include various scenarios, not just active shooters.
- Building a culture of safety requires everyone’s involvement.
- Safety planning teams should include diverse stakeholders.
Resources
Listen to Paul Timm Podcast!
The Changing Face of School Security
Get Paul Timm's Book!
School Security, How to Build and Strengthen a School Safety Program
Great Non-profit Websites
Partner Alliance for Safer Schools
ARM Resources
Risk Training Center: Risk Management for Educators
Connect with us!
Email: info@adventistrisk.org
Transcript
Welcome to ARM's Let's Talk Solutions podcast.
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:I'm your host, Hunter Pettis, and in this podcast, we're going to talk about solutions to
risks, hazards, and issues that matter to our ministry.
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:It was a normal morning at Lincoln High School.
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:Students laughing in the hallways, teachers prepping for their first classes.
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:The hum of everyday school life.
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:But at 10 17 a.m.
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:everything changed.
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:A suspicious individual walked into the building.
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:No ID, no appointment, no questions asked.
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:They roamed the hallways for nearly 15 minutes before a teacher noticing something wasn't
right alerted the office.
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:By the time the school security intervened
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:the individual had already entered a classroom.
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:Thankfully, the situation didn't escalate.
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:This wasn't a headline-making event.
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:It wasn't breaking news story.
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:It was just another day in a school that, like many others, assumed it won't happen here.
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:The reality is school security is not just about reacting to the worst-case scenario.
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:It's about preventing it in the first place.
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:And that's why today's episode is so important.
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:want to welcome you all back to another episode of Less Talk Solutions.
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:I'm your host Hunter Pettis.
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:And as always, I'm glad that you're here with us today.
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:If you haven't already, please follow us and subscribe so you get notified when new
episodes are released.
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:Today, we're diving into school safety with one of the leading experts in the field.
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:With the rise of safety concerns in schools, it's never been more critical to take
proactive measures
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:to protect students and staff.
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:Joining me today is Paul Thiem, a nationally recognized school security specialist, a
board certified physical security professional, and an author of School Security, How to
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:Build and Strengthen a School Safety Program.
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:He's worked with schools across the country to assess vulnerabilities, implement strong
safety measures, and create environments where students and staff feel secure.
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:without feeling like they're in a fortress.
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:Paul, thank you for being here and welcome to the show.
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:Hunter, thank you for having me the show.
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:I'm really glad to be here.
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:Absolutely, it's a pleasure.
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:I've heard so many great things.
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:I've seen you in presentations in the past with our risk management conferences.
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:So it's a pleasure to actually sit down and have a conversation with you.
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:As I've already mentioned some of your background, I'm a little bit more curious about how
you got into school safety and where you are.
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:Well, thanks for mentioning my background.
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:I grew up in the Chicago area and a day when my dad worked at Argonne National Labs, which
is a Department of Energy facility.
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:And he kind of built a career around an engineer view of physical security.
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:And in 1984, after 15 years there, they asked him to start his own consulting firm so he
could help out all the DOE facilities nationwide.
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:I joined that firm in the late 90s and so I'm very much a second generation physical
security consultant.
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:while keeping in the family business.
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:You know, Paul, as I was thinking about this episode, I reminisced a little bit about my
riculation and in the fall of:
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:DC sniper and there was an immense amount of school safety and security that had to take
place to ensure that no students or staff were affected.
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:by was going on during that time.
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:Needless to say, school safety has always been a concern, but in recent years, the
conversation has definitely intensified.
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:So I'd like to start off our conversation and set the foundation by asking, where do
schools stand today in terms of school safety?
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:Well, they're safer and they're safer because when you went to school and in the years
before that, when I went to school and things were far more open, far more relaxed, less
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:practices involving visitor management and the locking of doors and systems that were in
place.
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:so we've gotten better over time, even with awareness, we've gotten better.
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:And unfortunately.
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:Some of that awareness is driven by fear, which we don't want at all, but a heightened
sense of awareness is good.
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:So schools in general are safer.
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:However, risks are greater and we can think about the isolation of the individual.
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:We can think about social media.
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:We can think about societal, the climate, political climate.
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:We can think about all of these things, but there's no doubt that the risk is higher than
it used to be.
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:in places where in general we're safer than we would have
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:Absolutely, absolutely.
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:It is a little bit frightening to see some of the things, whether it's in the mainstream
media or even on social media, the things that are happening in our schools.
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:You know, here at ARM, a lot of the times we have those conversations where churches and
schools, especially in our little bubble, if you will, we operate under the assumption
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:that they're inherently safe environments for
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:At least as I had kind of mentioned in my fictitious story that I would have never
happened here.
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:But as we try to build a good foundation, you alluded to some of these things already, but
what are some of the characteristics that should be present in the school to actually be
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:considered high level of safety?
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:Yes.
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:Well, first of all, thank you for the Ministry of ARM.
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:I admire what you're doing.
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:And I want to say it begins with relationships.
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:Now I'm a physical security guy and people would say, well, aren't you going to talk about
cameras and weapons detection?
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:And, and maybe we'll talk about some of that later, but it begins with relationships.
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:In general, people don't harm or wish to harm people who they know care about them.
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:And that should be a hallmark of the churches and schools anyway.
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:is that we're in a place that's supportive and a place that's caring and a place that
offers resources.
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:You know, as I think back to my high school days, I think probably about, I don't know,
80, 90 % of the teachers I had were good teachers.
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:And maybe a very small percentage of them were not great because they had mailed it in or
they didn't let kids anymore or whatever.
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:But as so a small percentage of those teachers, I knew for some reason really invested in
me.
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:I don't know why that is personalities, whatever, but I think we can never go wrong when
we're investing.
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:can't do that perfectly with every single student, every single staff member, but we sure
can try to be ambassadors of God's love.
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:Well said.
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:Absolutely.
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:Ambassadors of love.
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:You know, one thing that we preach and I'm sure you've heard it on multiple occasions is
we talk about child protection a lot here.
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:And we often speak in terms of building the right fence in regards to securing, you know,
so you wouldn't talk about cameras and things of that nature just as much because
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:I mean, that social aspect is definitely important and probably most pivotal.
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:So maybe so much as the physical things, the physical measures that we can actually set in
place, but could you, guess more so describe maybe the security planning team and the
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:relationship between schools, parents and the community.
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:And I want to touch on both of those things because they are connected.
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:But first of all, a collaborative approach is always the best approach.
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:Nobody has shoulders broad enough to carry the whole security program by themselves.
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:And unfortunately, we occasionally bring in people who are former military, former law
enforcement, and thank you for your service.
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:And I'm going to make a generalization, but sometimes that person
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:thinks that they're going to power up and carry everything by themselves.
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:It doesn't work.
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:And so we've got to make sure that we've got staff that are making a personal investment
in the safety of the school.
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:Administrators, students, parents, community making a personal investment.
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:And that begins with a safety planning team.
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:And the safety planning team has internal stakeholders, like I just mentioned, and
external stakeholders.
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:which would include our emergency responders.
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:Listen, we know why we're here on this earth and making sure that we're connecting with
community is, is, you know, at the forefront of that.
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:Now, once we've got that in place, we are going to make sure that we've got a layered
approach to security.
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:We're going to start with the property and if, you know, we can't fence every property, we
have urban settings and sub-urban and rural, I understand that.
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:but we're going to look at the property to make sure it's secure.
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:We're going to look at the parking area to make sure it's secure.
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:We're going to look at the building and the building envelope to make sure it's secure.
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:then inside classrooms and interior spaces, we want to make sure.
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:So we've got layered security all the way to where the most important asset is inside.
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:the, I like that, that layered, layered security makes a ton of sense to me.
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:So we'll build, I see the building blocks here.
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:We're building from community.
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:We're setting the layers in place for the security in and of itself.
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:One thing that really, know, as I'm having these conversations, you and I are having this
conversation.
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:Our listeners tend to be the leaders in their individual churches.
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:Even when we're at risk, our RMC conference there, it's a lot of the leadership.
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:level of the ones that are having these conversations.
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:But one thing that I'm interested in and maybe you can speak on is how can we have a
healthy and appropriate involvement of the students?
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:Well, I always like to say this first to leaders set an example and that's really what we
should be doing with leadership anyway If we're required to wear ID badges wear them if
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:we're required to go through visitor management Procedures go through them.
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:I remember I've got four kids who are now adults But my daughter wrote an essay in high
school and she said dad have to do a persuasive essay and I have two points Can you help
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:me find a third point?
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:I need three and I said, what's the topic and she said?
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:Why students shouldn't have to wear IDs at XYZ school.
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:And I said, well, I don't agree with you.
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:So I'm not helping.
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:No, I didn't say that.
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:said, well, what are the points that you have?
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:And she said, number one, why do students definitely have to wear badges if not all of the
teachers are wearing them?
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:And why her second one was why, is wearing a badge so important when, people are propping
open extra doors anyway?
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:And it's, you know, we understand why a student looks at things and says,
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:If you're not holding the line, why do I have to hold the line?
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:And so it's important to hold the line.
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:Second of all, student involvement is important because the students are seeing
everything.
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:They're ahead of us in technology.
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:And when I say us, I say a loosely Hunter, because I know you're ahead of me in
technology, but it's just the way it cascades down.
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:The student who's in at a middle school level today is ahead of all of us in technology.
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:It's just the way it is.
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:generally have a much better pulse for what's really going on.
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:So we must find appropriate ways to involve them.
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:And one would be in the safety planning team.
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:And one might be, you know, I don't know much about Snapchat.
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:So why don't we have a student come and talk with us about Snapchat and how it works.
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:We might learn something.
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:We might be able to build a bridge and we might be helping that student become a leader
anyway.
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:I've heard a plethora of the tech genius at the school and the student level who's able to
get backdoor access to some physical securities that we don't always take into
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:Even ways to get into the building that we think are secure, no one can get into it, and
the students always find a way.
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:I laugh actually when you talk about your...
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:daughter writing the persuasive argument about why the students should wear lanyards
because I was that rebellious high school kid that refused to wear my lanyard so much so I
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:got detention behind it but that's I understand the reasons why now but you know as a
student you're thinking on kind of I didn't want to start the conversation off with this
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:but at the same time I know that it's important for us to mention we don't
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:have to go in full detail, but as we all know, there was an incident at one of our
schools.
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:It could have been worse.
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:It's still not great.
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:I would actually like to touch on, you know, I've spent some time in conversation with
professionals at the FBI level, some that do the ALICE training, but where do we begin the
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:conversation and what advice do we give to teachers and school admin in response to active
shooters?
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:Yeah, well, there's a lot on pack there and I'm going to just say it.
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:First of all, we don't give into fear and you know, that's not having warship over my
life, over your life, over our lives.
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:We're not doing that.
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:We understand that God is our refuge.
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:We're still responsible for the stewardship.
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:We put watchers on the wall.
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:It's, it's very clear in scripture that we have a right.
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:play, we're not not our own refuge, but we are going to take responsibility in places that
we can.
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:And second of all, I think what we do is we say it's still a very, very rare occurrence
that something like this happens.
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:And by the way, that doesn't mean it's okay.
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:My heart breaks for people who have gone through the trauma in that incident that you're
mentioning in all of these incidents.
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:And some of the survivors of these incidents are some of my very best friends, many of
them
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:people of faith and trying to bring redemptive components now to lessons learned.
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:And by the way, I'm not applying that to any particular incident because every incident is
different.
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:But in the aftermath, we almost always say, I wish we would have.
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:And so what can we do with our safety planning team?
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:We can bring them ahead of any incident and we can say, what are some of our concerns?
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:What are some of our risks?
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:How can we build the wall?
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:How can we, how can we be better with behavioral threat assessment?
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:How can we be better with our community who wants to visit?
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:And we do want them to visit, but we want them to visit with authority present.
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:And I want to say this, it feels daunting, but so much of this work has been done by
others.
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:And there are groups like Safe and Sound Schools that grew out of the aftermath of the
Sandy Hook incident.
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:There are non- other non-for-profit groups like the Partner Alliance for Safer Schools.
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:They,
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:fried to put a lot of these things in place so you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
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:Aside from Active Shooter, I know it's been standardized for, I don't know when it became
a thing, but you already have your fire drills as standard at most schools.
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:Active Shooter, there's some schools that kind of have drills.
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:There's some that are still on the fence about that for various reasons.
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:But what are some other school emergencies that you would recommend schools and planning
around the need for that?
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:Well, I'm thankful, first of all, that you brought out fire because I was pretty much
raised in Chicago and have lived there most of my life.
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:And that's where 67 years ago, our Lady of the Angels Catholic School burned to the ground
and almost 100 people died.
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:And after that, agencies and entities got together and said, we can never let this happen
in a school.
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:Again, schools have to have fire alarm systems and fire extinguishers and be made of
fire-retardant materials.
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:conduct followed drills and you did those and I did those and maybe we didn't love doing
them, we got prepared while doing them and because we put those practices and those codes
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:in place, there hasn't been one student who has died in a school related fire since.
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:And Hunter, there are about 3,000 fires in educational institutions every calendar year.
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:There's burning burns, there's been severe injuries and smoke inhalation, but no deaths.
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:So how can we take that and apply it to the security and an active shooter kind of threat
arena?
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:There are many entities trying to do that.
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:One of them is ASIS International.
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:They are going to this year come out with their standards for school security.
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:And anybody who's listening, it's a good thing to just keep your ear open for those
standards.
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:They're going to be basics.
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:And you say, well, having locks on doors and having, you know,
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:basic video surveillance systems, all that's very basic.
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:But yes, many schools are missing component or schools have walkie talkies instead of
two-way radios.
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:And I don't want to break down all of the differences here, but there should be some basic
standards that are in place and those are about to be unveiled.
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:And second of all, I think this, think, like I said, the safety planning team gets
together and says, where are our gaps and where are our vulnerabilities?
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:How can we address them in a prioritized way?
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:I know I'm going on a little bit here, but I know it a lot of times it comes back to
money.
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:We don't have the funds.
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:We're not like a public school.
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:Grants may be available.
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:There's a great site for that.
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:It's called schoolsafety.gov, which is a government site, but has private...
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:private foundations and grants that can help schools and churches.
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:But second of all, it's not always just throwing money at it.
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:It's making sure that we have brought the right kind of instruction and held people
accountable so that they can make a personal investment.
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:When my eyes are part of see something, say something, or see something, do something,
when that happens, we build a culture.
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:that's safer and that's really what I espouse is building a safe culture.
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:You said that?
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:Yeah, and I think that's always that's what I'm hearing and it sounds crucial to have that
safe culture, the community behind it.
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:I know I had mentioned how I went to school in D.C.
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:Later on in life, I went to a school where there was tornadoes.
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:I did you not the sirens going off and I just had no idea.
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:You know, you've kind of already talked about how to involve the students and have the
community a part of those things.
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:But I think that's, that's a key aspect that sometimes gets overlooked.
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:Well, I want to thank you for circling back because I didn't fully answer that last
question.
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:You said, what other kinds of emergencies are we preparing for?
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:And of course, far more likely to occur than a violence emergency would be a medical
emergency and a severe weather emergency, which you're referring to right now.
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:And we've got to be a little bit better with, I know codes require us to have automatic
external defibrillators, but where are they?
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:And by the way, the answer is no, it gives simple audio instructions.
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:Don't, don't look at an AED on a wall.
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:If somebody needs assistance, if you're not certified and say, well, I wish I could have
helped them.
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:No, it's going to walk you through how to do that.
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:And in terms of severe weather, not only tornadoes, but you know, the great shakeout is a
practice we do for earthquakes and
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:So, you know, I'm in a place right now where we've got a severe winter storm and ice can
be a problem and flooding is an issue.
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:How do we deal with all of those things?
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:And it's always a multi-hazard approach.
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:I want to share one more resource on that right now.
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:There's another non-for-profit called the I Love You Guys Foundation and they make what's
called SRP standard response protocol.
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:They make these kinds of procedures available for free to schools.
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:That sounds like some excellent resources and I appreciate you sharing that with our
listeners.
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:think that they'll also appreciate that as well.
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:So we've talked, we've definitely laid the foundation of some of the things that our
listeners should take into account when they're building the right fence, if you will, or
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:building the wall, however you want to look at it, the layered approach of protecting
these schools, having community involved.
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:I've talked about how to involve the dust.
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:teachers and staff as well as how to have a healthy and appropriate involvement of the
students.
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:what role can parents play in school security and safety efforts?
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:Well, first of all, it should be a supportive role.
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:And that doesn't mean that as a parent, I might agree with everything that the school is
doing, but working against the score would be bad for everybody.
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:So how can I as a parent be more engaged?
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:And I like to bring at least a parent or two representatives into the safety planning
team, Hunter, because sometimes as a parent, I may have an agenda.
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:If we just were wearing school uniforms, we'd be safe.
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:But what I don't often get to see is the whole view, the comprehensive view.
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:And when we're bringing parents and we're transparent with what we're doing, all of a
sudden the information begins, I think, to backfill the concerns that I had.
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:So I'm very much for including parents in that way.
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:And as a parent, I'm very much for going to the school to say, hey, please tell me what
you have in place.
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:In fact,
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:when my students made the transition, my kids made the transition as students from high
school to college, I went with them on the college visits and I asked to speak with the
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:Very forthcoming, very intentional about the measures they had in place.
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:And as a parent, I should be wanting to know what that is and giving them an opportunity
to share.
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:think, you know, like you said, you'll have more people that are open and welcome to
having that conversation to ensure the security is in place, you know, so I like this.
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:I really appreciate this.
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:I really can say that I've learned a lot from this conversation.
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:And before we kind of begin to wrap things up, I just wanted to
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:kind of open the floor a little bit more for you and see if there's anything that we may
have missed or haven't discussed just yet that you would kind of encourage our listeners
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:Thank you for asking.
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:I always tell administrators this, if you only have a dollar to spend and you only have an
hour to plan and it sounds like your budget and your schedule, right?
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:Then you want to focus on the two areas that protect people the most.
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:Now I grew up with Argonne National Labs and there were high fences around the share
property, razor wire at the top of those fences.
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:And there were people at the gates who had...
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:You know, their finger on the triggers of long guns and they had layers of intrusion
detection systems or what you would call burglar alarm systems because their number one
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:We needed to detect the bad guy before they got to the center of the campus.
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:Now, many schools have burglar alarm systems and I think that's great, but the burglar
alarm system is not protecting people.
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:the school arena, people are more in
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:important than things I think we all would agree.
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:And the two areas that always protect people the most, and we're talking about physical
security, are communication systems and devices.
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:We have got to be able to get help.
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:And I don't know if you're familiar with legislation that's sweeping the country now, but
it's called Alissa's Law.
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:And it comes out of the Marjory Stelman Douglas incident.
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:And basically it says, can I as a student or a staff member always be able to get to a
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:a button or a device that allows me to connect with responders if there's an emergency.
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:Can we do that in ops?
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:Is there a telephone?
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:Is there an intercom call button?
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:So communication is always very important.
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:I need to be able to get help and I need to get a message if an emergency notification has
been issued.
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:And then the second area, if I only have a dollar to spend and an hour to plan is access
control.
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:And that's why I talked a little bit about the layered approach.
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:Do we know when somebody's on our property?
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:we decide how they come into the building and once they're in, where they go?
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individual is the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker.
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advanced math and English for seventh and advanced math and English for eighth.
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a collaborative approach.
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me, not in a bad way, but just I felt like I didn't have the answers for them.
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There.
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the, love you guys foundation.
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podcast and I highly recommend it as well.
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today.
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