The Importance of Camp Safety
Thank you so much for listening to episode 3 of Season 2: The Importance of Camp Safety! You can find an episode summary, takeaways, below!
Summary:
In this episode of Let's Talk Solutions, host Hunter Pettis and Pastor Tracy Wood discuss the significance of camp ministry within the Seventh-day Adventist Church. They explore the profound impact of camp experiences on youth, emphasizing the importance of safety and preparedness in creating a nurturing environment. Their conversation highlights the spiritual growth that occurs at camps, the challenges faced in ensuring safety, and the vital role of volunteers and staff in fostering a culture of safety. They hope to encourage their listeners to prioritize getting kids to camp for transformative experiences that can shape their faith and lives.
Key Takeaways:
- Safety is paramount in camp ministry, ensuring kids return home healthy.
- Camps provide sacred spaces for kids to grow spiritually and can lead to lifelong decisions for Christ.
- Camp staff undergo rigorous training to ensure safety and preparedness.
- Building a culture of safety is essential for camp success.
- Volunteers play a crucial role in supporting camp safety initiatives.
- Networking with experienced camp staff can enhance camp ministry.
- Camps create lifelong memories and decisions for youth.
- Proper training and certifications are essential for camp staff.
- Accreditation ensures camps meet safety standards.
- Engaging with camp alumni can strengthen camp programs.
Resources
Risk Training Center: Risk Management for Club Ministries
Solution Article: Is It Safe to Camp Here?
Solutions Article: Let the Pros Handle It
Connect with us!
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Transcript
Welcome to ARM's Let's Talk Solutions podcast.
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:I'm your host, Hunter Pettis, and in this podcast, we're going to talk about solutions to
risks, hazards, and issues that matter to our ministry.
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:Welcome back to Let's Talk Solutions.
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:I'm your host, Hunter Pettis, and I'm glad you're here.
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:Today, we're diving into something that may have been a fond memory for many of us who
grew up in or around the church, and that's camp.
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:There's something about it, right?
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:That crackle of campfire, the laughter of echo through the trees, and that feeling that
you're just a little bit closer to heaven under the stars.
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:But here's the thing, camps aren't just about memories.
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:They're about responsibility, safety, and preparedness.
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:Before we get started, I'd like to share a quick story.
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:A few years back, at a small summer camp, a group of kids went on a hike.
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:It was supposed to be a short, short hike, just to the ridge and back.
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:But somewhere along the way, they lost the trail.
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:The sun dipped low, the woods darkened, and what started as an adventure quickly turned
into anxiety.
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:Now, there's a good part to this story.
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:The staff were prepared.
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:They had training.
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:clear check-in procedures, the buddy system, and a solid emergency plan.
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:Within an hour, every camper was found safe and back around the fire, roasting
marshmallows like nothing had happened.
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:No headline, just preparedness, the power of preparation.
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:And that's what today's episode is all about.
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:How we, especially within the Seventh-day Adventist Church, can make sure our camps are
places where safety comes first, so that ministry can flourish.
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:Today's guest has journeyed through blueprints and Bible texts, construction sites,
campfires, and somewhere along the way, he's discovered that building faith was just as
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:important as building structures.
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:Pastor Tracy Wood began his educational pursuits in engineering and architecture, but it
wasn't long before a deeper calling led him to the pulpit and eventually to shape the next
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:generation of leaders.
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:From Oregon to Michigan,
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:And now the North American division, Pastor Tracy has dedicated his life to youth and
young adult ministries with a doctor of ministry and leadership development and a heart
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:that beats for mentorship.
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:His story is a reminder that paths can in fact pivot and purpose often finds us when we
least expect it.
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:Since 2015, Pastor Tracy has served as the director of youth and young adult ministries
and he has spent the last few years
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:helping shape our approach to youth ministry, and especially the way we build safe
Christ-centered spaces for our young people.
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:Tracy, pleasure having you.
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:Welcome to the show.
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:Thank you, Hunter.
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:It's good to be here excited about the opportunity to share together today and just
looking forward to this.
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:Yes, indeed.
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:It's good.
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:It seems like I just saw you in person not too long ago.
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:So it's always a pleasure to have conversation.
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:And I know that you have a huge passion for this topic.
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:So I'm glad that you were able to join us.
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:Considering that, as I see you in action, especially since I was just there with you at
the NAD Camp Committee meeting, I'm just curious, Tracy, just to kind of get the ball
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:rolling a little bit.
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:What was camp like for you growing up?
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:How did it potentially lead you to working in youth and young adult ministries?
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:Well, first of all, as a, as a nine year old, 10 year old, went to big Lake East camp in
my conference of Oregon conference back in the day when, when I was growing up in big Lake
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:East camp is a rustic camp at the top of the mountains.
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:And so, yeah, I remember as a nine year old going and getting separated from my best
friend because he was in another cabin than he then then then I, because he was taking
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:different activities than I was, you know, and then camp ministry, we usually divide out
by cabins, by the activity that you're going to do for the week so that you're in a
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:cabin unit, you a and you navigate throughout the week that way.
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:Well, I didn't even see him all week long.
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:it's not that the big lake is a big camp.
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:It's just that our schedules never touched or crossed.
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:I would see him at mealtime sometimes.
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:I was so homesick as a little kid.
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:Man, I was homesick.
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:I remember that never come to camp again.
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:The next year didn't go when I was 10.
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:When I was 11, my cousin, who's the same age as I went and we learned that, you sign up
for the same activity.
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:then you can be with your buddies.
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:So we did that.
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:Man, it was the best week of my life.
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:And then went to camp for, I don't know, three or four years after that.
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:So yeah, as a camper, it was just good.
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:My parents learned the camp system, the way most camps operate is you want to sign up for
activities along with your friends.
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:So you stay in the same cabin thing and you have that cabin experience, that cabin
bonding.
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:yeah, but it was good.
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:Yeah, absolutely.
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:I think it was a fond memory for myself as well.
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:ah I didn't actually go to the camp that was within my conference, but I went where my
cousins went, which was down in Orangeburg, South Carolina.
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:So spending some time there at camp and it's just fond memories.
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:Actually, we were reminiscing about it recently.
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:there's just this amazing fondness and the memories that you share with.
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:with people, it just stays with you for a lifetime.
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:So amazing.
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:With that, as you've gotten older and continue to stick with youth and the young adult
ministries, with camp in particular, why do you think it's such an important part of youth
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:ministry today?
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:Camp ministry is huge for a kid's life.
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:Like you just shared, know, the moments you have in camp, they stay with you for life.
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:And one of the things as we do camp ministry across our 60 plus camps in North America, we
see them as sacred grounds, sacred spaces.
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:Kids make lifelong decisions at camp that they don't in other places and spaces.
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:You know, they're out of their daily normal and they're in a place where that's usually
beautiful nature.
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:or incredible nature.
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:that's just God's second book.
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:You sense God in different ways when you're out in nature, especially if you're at a
remote camp.
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:And so just the time at camp and the experiences just stick for a lifetime.
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:And so it's really important um as a parent or a church leader to think, I want my kids to
have a camp experience because there's nothing like it.
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:They get together with their friends.
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:They have a blast doing activities all day long when they come to the campfire bowl or
whatever, however that camp is set up in the evening and they hear the stories about Jesus
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:or about life and about, hey, it's hard and it's rough, but God's near and he's present.
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:Many of our young people for the first time have opportunities to really process through
what in the world is going on here.
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:I'm experiencing something different than I do at home in my local church or whatever.
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:It becomes a memorable.
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:that is you remember for life because God just uses these places and spaces and you're
around young adult staff who are on fire for God and excited about outdoor experiences and
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:they're just making things happen.
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:you know, a spiritual impact is huge at camp.
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:So yeah, in my mind, in my experience as a pastor, as a parent,
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:And I do everything I can to get my kids to camp, whether they're my biological kids or
the kids that I get to serve.
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:Yeah, that's beautiful.
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:One of the brochures that you all have for camps, have read a statistic and I was truly
blown away where I mentioned that as you stated, there's 60 plus camps in North America
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:and you have over 20,000 attendees that go to camp.
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:But the true statistic that stood out was 7,000 people at these camps were baptized.
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:And I think
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:That was just an amazing number and it just shows the power in the ministry that camps can
possess.
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:And it adds to those memories.
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:Yeah, every summer, you our summer camps run strong, those 60 plus camps.
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:A lot of camps, though, don't do baptisms at camp.
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:So that's a small number.
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:They'll do the baptisms when they get back home at their home churches.
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:Some camps do a lot of baptisms.
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:Some don't do many, very many.
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:It depends on the conference and the pastors in that conference and how they want to,
whether they want to have kids have to make the decisions at camp and they come home for
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:baptisms or actually have the baptisms at camps and pastors come to camp.
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:So it's a mix all over, yeah, 7,000 at summer camp baptisms last summer.
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:And that's low.
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:I mean, before the pandemic, when we had really high camp numbers, we were getting 12, 13,
14,000 baptisms happening at camps.
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:Big numbers of decisions for Jesus.
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:mean, big numbers.
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:Now, of course, this is across all of our camps.
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:We get more decisions for Jesus at our summer camps collectively than any other place we
get in the North American Division in youth and young adult ministry.
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:Summer camp ministry is the strongest impact in the lives of kids spiritually than any
other thing we have.
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:Wow, that's powerful.
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:That's truly powerful and not to go unrecognized.
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:So we talked about how fond of memories we all can share about camps and how big of an
impact it can be from a ministerial standpoint.
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:But of course, for our audience sake, we like to also touch on the safety aspects of it
and keeping our individuals safe while they're at camp.
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:And when it comes to safety,
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:From your perspective, what are some unique challenges that you commonly hear at our
camps?
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:Well, man, you just nailed it.
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:Ultimately, is critical.
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:That's number one.
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:know, parents are giving their young kids over to the hands of young adults and camp staff
for a week of incredible fun out in nature, away from the emergency room that might need
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:to be accessed in case something happens.
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:And it's a high honor and it's a huge commitment.
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:to summer camp staff, I'm going to care for these kids and keep them safe.
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:They're going to go home at the end of this week, just as healthy or hopefully more
healthy than when they came.
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:So camp safety is massive for us and it has to be the number one priority at every camp.
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:And it is taking care of these kids, making sure that they are safe and that they're
protected, well cared for and knowing that
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:The staff are the ones responsible for them, which are usually college students or post
college students.
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:We have a few that are academy or high school students, but they're not in supervisory
roles, of course, unless they're over age 18 and taking care of the young people.
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:if you want to take the kids away from their devices for a week, you've got to ensure
their safety a little bit so that they have a good time doing it.
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:I think I already know the answer to this question, but just in some of the conversations
that we've already had, well, what is something that you would love to see adopted or
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:implemented in our camp ministries?
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:There's a number of things uh in regards to safety, of course.
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:have a, we have, well, let me say it this way.
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:Every camp runs a staff training week, usually a week or maybe two weeks before camp
starts.
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:That's where they get their certifications or they make sure that they have their
certifications like lifeguard safety, those certifications, waterfront safety trainings.
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:We have horse or equestrian training certifications.
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:And so one of the things that's really important for us as we support the camps.
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:throughout North America is make sure that their certifications, that the camps are
getting their certifications, their safety certifications they need, and doing that in
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:their staff trainings ahead of time.
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:We have an online camp safety course that we have developed over the last couple of years
that many of our camps are using that they share with their staff before they even show up
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:for staff training week so that they can already have front-loaded or pre-loaded some
safety topics, safety training pieces before they come to staff training.
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:Of course, background searches are, you know what they're called.
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:can't remember what they're Yeah, background screenings are mandatory because they're
employees of that conference or that camp.
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:And so that, of course, is one piece of that.
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:Bullying is another portion of that.
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:How to prevent bullying, sexual harassment awareness.
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:training.
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:So staff are aw there's some kids having a lot of times they'll camp.
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:If there' home that's significan play out of camp and having this awareness training a in
case there's some situ needs to happen for the c a kid.
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:That's really imp prepare staff summer camp
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:So that's one thing that's pretty much already in place.
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:You asked what else could be done.
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:There's a couple of things that is really important that we advocate for all the time.
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:And that is again, camp accreditation through the American Camp Association.
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:The American Camp Association is the accrediting body.
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:It's a non-administration association.
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:It's across North America, well, it's across the United States.
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:And they have safety standards.
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:processes that camps prepare for and then can actually have people come from the
association and go through those safety procedures and make sure that everything is up to
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:a specific standard.
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:We have out of our 60 camps about 25ish camps are ACA accredited and we of course are
always encouraging more camps to do that.
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:It's a lot of work but it's worth it in the long run because that helps camps just be up
to par on
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:every safety aspect there may be for their camp.
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:Yes, the American, so that ACA American Camp Association, it is pretty intense, but it
does keep us in line with the national standards when it comes to camps.
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:And I think it does a good job of, you know, creating those parameters and allowing for
some guidelines for safety for the campers and the camp staff throughout the summer.
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:So I knew though that that's a passion point for you.
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:I'm glad that you brought that up.
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:And I will mention also in our Canadian camps in Canada, they are required to follow the
Canadian accreditation for each province.
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:Each province has its accreditation.
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:And so in Canada, they're required to have that, which is, in my opinion, really good.
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:Yeah, yeah, I know everyone has to everyone has to start somewhere in ACA could be a
potential good starting place for others.
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:It may be a little more challenging for lack of better words.
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:But, you know, for someone who's maybe there, it's their first time listening, first time
considering maybe going into camp ministry.
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:Maybe they're starting a new camp.
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:What are some steps that you see camps taking right now to ensure that level of safety?
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:and that we can continue to have this Christ-centered space for young people.
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:I think it's really impor if you're new to camp, you want to get, you wan into, you want
to read int to understand stuff and to talk to people.
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:Okay, w next year, 100 years of C North American Divisi a of camp professionals that have
done camp ministry just want to talk to peopl
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:how many people you discover had been a summer camp staff at some point in their college
career or something like that.
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:I run into them all the time.
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:Of course, I have to ask them, what camp did you serve and how did it go?
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:But you just want to talk to people because camp ministry is huge in our division and we
have a long history.
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:And boy, are there stories to tell, good stories and not so good stories.
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:And so you just want to hear the stories because what that does is if you're considering
camp ministry, it opens up your mind to realize, wow, this is bigger than just an idea.
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:And there's a network of people I can get around me.
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:I can learn.
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:I mean, we learn from stories, you know, and we learn, we get mentored by people around
us.
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:Sometimes we get mentored of what not to do.
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:Other times we get mentored of what to do.
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:I think that's really important.
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:Here's a statistic for you, Hunter.
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:And I know you've heard this before, but 83 % of workers for the church, that'd be like a
teacher, a pastor, a administrator, have worked at summer camp.
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:That survey was done in 2014 and 15.
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:And at that time, 83 % of church workers had worked at summer camp in their college years.
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:That's huge.
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:That's what I say.
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:You'd start talking to pastors or teachers or...
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:employees of the Sunday Adventist Church, many of them have had summer camp experience as
a staff person helping young people know Jesus.
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:uh I can can firmly say that I'm a part of that 83 percent I did spend a summer or two
working at camp and I enjoyed it just as much as my experience as being a camper so with a
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:hundred years of a hundred years there's no shortage of experience there's no shortage of
a network of individuals out there to assist in the process and to give you some level of
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:guidance with that I guess are there any practical examples or
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:experiences that you can share with our audience where you've seen a situation benefited
from the culture of safety.
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:Because I know sometimes you go to camp and you're like, I don't want all these rules and
camp's meant to be fun and I don't want to do this, that, you know, but there's a time and
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:place for things.
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:And there, I imagine that there's some benefit to that as well.
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:So have you seen any practical examples or experiences from your seat?
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:have, I have, you know, the camps, camps have the t shall I say this?
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:It's ch up with the maintenance a for a camp ranger to kee because a lot of times ou the
woods or in their f
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:You just always have maintenance to do.
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:And I remember when I was in Oregon and had time there, there was this amazing person from
Adventist Risk Management that would come around every couple of years and do a camp
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:safety inspection and visit.
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:And that was huge for us because they would see things that we as camp leaders wouldn't
see because we get so used to, you know, the dilapidation of this building or, or, you
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:know, that.
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:that fence needs to be repaired and it's been leaning for a while or that horse barn is,
you know, just tired and we need to freshen it up and make sure things are in order and
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:clean up just the spaces where there's just clutter.
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:That kind of stuff is really important for camps.
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:And you know, it's challenging for those camp directors, those people that live at camp
year in and year out, that's their home.
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:But it's also super important for that, know, slips, trips and falls.
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:Hey, they happen at camp.
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:There's not a bunch of sidewalks and flat spaces.
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:And so you do the best you can to make sure that, you know, things are, they're safe for
the people that come to camp.
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:And it's, it's just ongoing and honestly, camp maintenance people, Rangers, they need
those helping hands from others to come alongside and say, Hey, we can paint that, but we
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:can tear down that, you know, they need those.
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:professionals to come in with their tools and stuff.
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:Hey, we can fix this.
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:You know, here's a mechanic.
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:All of that is just huge in the camp community and culture to have.
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:It's huge for us in camp ministry.
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:Amen.
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:I know it's sometimes a little challenging to distinguish between what's rustic and what's
a bit of a hazard.
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:So I'm glad that it's helpful to open your eyes a little bit and understand.
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:But at the same time, keeping it, keeping things natural, you know, you are out in nature.
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:Like you said, someone can easily slip on a rock or a trail or anything like that, but
it's still important to keep things as they are.
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:Yeah, I think another thing is it's important for parents to realize, Hey, you're sending
your kid to camp.
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:It is risk.
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:There's risk.
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:mean, we manage the risk we best best we can.
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:But like you said, you know, there's a wet rock that's slippery up.
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:This kid just fell down and broke his arm.
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:How long could we have done better?
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:Well, I'm not sure, but at least we had first aid on site and we got invited care for this
kid as quick as we could.
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:You know, our nurse's station is up to par.
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:We've got things happening, you know, so, and you said it earlier, the pre-planning and
preparation and making sure that
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:We've got everybody in the right place at the right time to provide care if something
happens is really important.
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:Yeah, it's super important and preparation is key and a huge part.
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:And so for our audience sake, know, a lot of them are volunteers.
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:Some of them may actually be in employed situations with the church, but either way,
there's some challenges and there's a level of responsibility that comes with that.
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:And you've kind of hinted at a few things where it comes to CPR training or making sure
that you're certified for rock climbing or horseback riding.
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:But are there any other things that you would say oh to our volunteers or our leaders that
could be helpful in supporting camps and being prepared for any safety issues that may
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:First of all, if you've got expertise in wilderness survival, if you've got people that
have done certifications in high ropes courses, low ropes, that kind of stuff, and they
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:might be in the Pathfinder world or they might be just volunteers.
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:I mean, I have friends who are mountain rescue people and stuff like that, you know, to
have them around the camp at certain times or in places or spaces or having a cleanup.
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:week after camp or before camp and just having these people as part of the camp network is
huge for a camp because what it does is it brings a level of expertise and a place for our
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:volunteers to serve in a way that is meaningful to them and again, excuse me, provides
support for the overall camp program and specifically for those campers that are coming to
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:have a time of their life in nature with God and
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:That's one of the things, one of my dreams is that camps would have, there's a few camps
that have this, but the camps would have an alumni association for staff.
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:There is so many staff that'll contribute a year or two or three in their college years,
but if a camp doesn't have their alumni association or something like that, then there
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:isn't a place for those staff as they get older, even with kids or even older.
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:to give back and to be have them come for a camp week of cleanup before camp or after
camp, pouring into that camp, funding initiatives for that camp, especially safety
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:resources for that camp.
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:That association of former camp staff is huge.
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:And like I said, we've got a few camps that have that, but I think that as we go forward,
as we vision forward to camp ministry.
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:Each camp having their network of former camp staff coming in and pouring back into that
camp for safety reasons, for maintenance reasons, for fundraising purposes to help kids
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:just have more kids have an experience with God.
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:That's huge.
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:It is.
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:is.
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:I mean, this is, I think this is powerful.
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:I know that for some of our audience, they may have heard some of this before, but I mean,
even for me, some bits of it is new.
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:It's amazing that the network that we have out there that continues to be committed to
providing a strong environment for our youth to have a relationship with God at the end of
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:And that ministry is powerful.
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:and we have to do everything that we can do in our leadership roles to ensure that safety.
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:We're kind of winding down a little bit.
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:It's sometimes the time flies when you're having fun and having a conversation.
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:What are your thoughts?
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:What sage wisdom do you have to offer the people passage?
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:Sage wisdom, that makes me sound old.
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:I will admit I've been at this a little while.
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:You know, just as I think of our churches and getting kids to camp, I mean, that's at the
heart of my heart.
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:Getting kids to camp, they have an experience with God outside of their normal.
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:I just want to say, every kid you can, get them to camp for a week and get them to camp
when they're young, know, 10, 11, 12.
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:so that they'll have a few years to be able to go to camp because if they have an amazing
experience they're going to want to come back and if they don't they might need to take a
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:year off like I did and maybe come back a year later with a friend.
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:get our kids to camp.
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:It's like we said earlier, it's one of the most effective ministries we have in our church
to help kids experience God in new ways that's outside the normal of their home life,
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:their church life, their Sabbath school, Sabbath morning life, their
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:club ministries, their a pathfinder ministry.
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:a pathfinder, a pathfind is great, but it's with a network of people.
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:it's just friends with n never met and it's full o day long.
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:And then you'v adult team that's doing b at night around the camp
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:But they're talking about God.
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:you know, the amazing thing about our Adventist camps in North America is most all of them
are doing in the evening, most all of them are doing spiritual songs, praise music, Bible,
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:Bible songs, and they're doing depictions of Bible stories and leading towards a Thursday,
Friday, Sabbath commitment call to Jesus and decision cards that get handed off to pastors
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:or they're making decisions either to love Jesus, maybe to choose him for the first time,
maybe to choose him again, possibly continued Bible studies, possibly baptism.
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:mean, decision cards are a big part of what we do at camp and they're physical decision
cards where you write down so they can be handed to somebody to follow up after camp and
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:continue the spiritual experiences that the campers have had during that week.
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:So yeah, my passion, my call, just do what you can to get kids together.
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:I second that.
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:definitely second that.
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:So again, I want to thank you for your time and just let our listeners know that it's not
always about titles, but it's about showing up with purpose.
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:So as we wrap up, let's remember that, that camp ministry is powerful and impactful, and
this ministry deserves our very best, including our best efforts to keep everyone safe.
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:We have a free new course designed just for you and our risk training center titled risk
management for club ministries.
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about today.
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your ministry.
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tabs.
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include a camp inspection form and a link to sign up for our bi-monthly newsletter
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:I hope you found our podcast today informative and that you were equipped for your
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